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    Citação Post Original de Mbmrtns Ver Post
    O meu problema aqui, nem é o cpu, onde o FX4300 fica ligeiramente na frente, mas antes este aspecto:

    O FX4300 tem de ser conjugado com uma board de 50€ para ficar dentro do extreme budget, nestes valores, só existe 760g, que é de 2009...sata3/usb3/pciex 3 = 0.

    Ao passo que em FM2+, é possível ir para A88X, sendo bem mais recente.
    Isso é verdade. Tanto o 860K como a plataforma, são mais recentes.

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    Olha tá aqui uma 460 nos classificados...

    O gajo é oldschool, vou lhe dar um crt que tenho aqui... por isso não será para grandes resoluções... mas mesmo que ele compre um monitor 1080p jogará a resoluções baixas... desde que dê 100/120 fps...
    Uma GTX 460 chega para o CS:GO.
    Aquilo ainda usa o Source Engine.

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    Isso é verdade. Tanto o 860K como a plataforma, são mais recentes.
    É isso...estou a falar por exemplo num sistema de 400/450€ com uma 260x/750ti...

    Não estou a ver melhor valor que o 860k.
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    Olha tá aqui uma 460 nos classificados...

    O gajo é oldschool, vou lhe dar um crt que tenho aqui... por isso não será para grandes resoluções... mas mesmo que ele compre um monitor 1080p jogará a resoluções baixas... desde que dê 100/120 fps...
    Arranjas melhor que isso, procura uma 6950.
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    O meu problema aqui, nem é o cpu, onde o FX4300 fica ligeiramente na frente, mas antes este aspecto:

    O FX4300 tem de ser conjugado com uma board de 50€ para ficar dentro do extreme budget, nestes valores, só existe 760g, que é de 2009...sata3/usb3/pciex 3 = 0.

    Ao passo que em FM2+, é possível ir para A88X, sendo bem mais recente.
    Boas!
    Talvez fosse para a plataforma mais recente...

    Cumprimentos,

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    Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400S - CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 - 2400G - Board: MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC - RAM: 16GB DDR4 G.Skill RipJaws V 3200Mhz CAS 14-14-14-34 (2x8GB) - GPU: AMD IGPU VEGA 11
    Cooling: Arctic Cooling 3x F14 Silent - CPU Cooler: Arctic Cooling: Liquid Freezer 360 (6xF12 Fans) - Storage: Samsung SSD 840 EVO 1 TB - PSU: EVGA G3 750W - Monitor: ACER XB270HU 1440p @ 144hz G-Sync

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    Algo assim? Falta a caixa e a gráfica...

    Se calhar é pedir demais...no futuro com uma recente, média gama...corre BF4?


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    Não encontras ai uma board A88X mais barata?tipo MSI A88XM-P33?

    Fonte, XFX 450w.

    Podes meter 2x2gb, ainda serve.
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    Foi assim muito à pressão bro... Se calhar dá para expremer... Mas também queria uma cena que desse para outros jogos decentemente, se no futuro ele metesse uma gráfica de 200€ por exemplo...


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    Foi assim muito à pressão bro... Se calhar dá para expremer... Mas também queria uma cena que desse para outros jogos decentemente, se no futuro ele metesse uma gráfica de 200€ por exemplo...
    A XFX 450w aguenta sem problema.

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    AMD Zen Architecture Release Schedule Revealed – Will be Rolled to Server Market First

    Hi there, this is our third iteration of our series of talks with an Industry Insider (who had significant knowledge of AMD’s workings). As we have already mentioned in the previous two pieces, the information revealed is correct at the point of revelation – however, do keep in mind that there is nothing stopping AMD to change roadmaps, as they have already done so many times in the past.
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    AMD’s high performance Zen architecture coming in 2016 will be released to server market first

    Our source didn’t go into much detail about Zen, but from what we learned Zen will be AMD’s focus for the duration of 2016. This is good news, because it means that AMD is finally paying attention to the compute of things and could make a comeback with Zen as its high performance architecture. Even more interestingly, Zen might feature something that debuts with Skylake, something I will talk about later in another (and last) piece. The focus of this piece is however Zen’s release schedule. Turns out AMD will be releasing Zen for the server side first, then workstations and then HEDT (or mainstream market in other words). This is a slightly different approach from tradition and it looks like AMD is gearing to take back some of the market share that Intel currently rules supreme in. 2016 is shaping up to be a very very interesting year for the Silicon industry.


    Here is what we already know about Zen, through previous leaks (read: grain of salt): It will be part of the Summit Ridge series and will contain up to 8 x86 cores (based on the AMD Zen architecture). On power side, while AMD’s FX series currently pushes the TDP to 95W on APUs, 125W on FX series and 220W on the 5 GHz series, the Zen based processors will feature a maximum TDP of 95W which is inline with Intel’s 22nm Haswell offerings. There will also be more power efficient variants toning the TDP down to more conservative levels as Zen will be featured across the board and is likely to be as scalable as Broadwell architecture which has seen 4.5W TDP variants in the form of Broadwell-Y.
    On the main architectural side of things, AMD Zen cores will take the best from Bulldozer and Jaguar, delivering a SMT (Simultaneous Multithreaded) design that takes advantage of the various resources in the core and dedicate it to an additional execution thread for added throughput. Now here is the thing, remember what I said about Intel bringing something new with Skylake? well our source speculates that AMD might actually introduce the same new feature with Zen, finally offering Intel proper competition. For more details, stay tuned for our next piece.
    http://www.portugal-tech.pt/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=566&dateline=1384876765

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    Espero bem que este Zen seja o regresso à AMD dos bons velhos tempos do K7 e K8.

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    Era bom que assim fosse, mas isto vem competir com o Skylake... sendo este anunciado como uma revolução, não sei até que ponto iremos ver a AMD dos bons velhos tempos da liderança e das ideias inovadoras.
    http://www.portugal-tech.pt/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=566&dateline=1384876765

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    Uma coisa que gostei de ver nessa noticia foi o foco nos 95w para um CPU de alto desempenho. Ou seja, o Zen não vai ter apenas bom desempenho, mas também bons consumos e temperaturas.
    Ou pelo menos é o que nos dão a entender.

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    Os 95W não é novidade nenhuma em cpu´s de alto desempenho para a AMD, as revisões que sairam agora dos FX vem com 95W, novidade era vir com algo mais baixo e mais perto dos Intel.
    http://www.portugal-tech.pt/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=566&dateline=1384876765

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    AMD’s ‘Zen’ could sport Intel’s ‘Skylake’ features, new 512-bit FPU – rumours
    Although microprocessors based on AMD’s next-generation high-performance micro-architecture code-named “Zen” are more than a year away, some details regarding the forthcoming chips and “Zen” in general are beginning to surface. The most recent rumours about the new architecture add some technical details and point to release schedule of the new chips.
    As reported, the first central processing units to use “Zen” for client PCs will be the code-named “Summit Ridge” chip that is expected to feature up to eight cores, a DDR4 memory controller, a PCI Express 3.0 controller and up to 95W thermal design power. It is projected that the chip will be made using 14nm FinFET process technology by GlobalFoundries or Samsung Electronics. Based on unofficial information, AMD’s “Summit Ridge” processors will hit the market in the third quarter of 2016.

    Servers first
    WccfTech reports citing its own sources that with “Zen” AMD will return to its traditional practice of introducing server processors powered by the latest micro-architectures first and then follow with chips for client PCs. There are no exact schedules given, but taking into account relatively slow ramp up of server processors and platforms by server makers, if AMD wants to find its new Opteron chips in 2016 servers in more or less significant quantities, it will have to introduce its new CPUs in the first half of the year.

    Since eight cores inside the “Summit Ridge” are not enough for modern servers, AMD will either continue to use multi-chip-module design for Opteron processors based on “Zen” architecture next year and onwards (to get a many-core CPU out of two multi-core dies), or will make a separate multi-core design specifically for servers. In fact, AMD has had a technology to build “native” 16-core Opteron processors featuring “Bulldozer”-class dual-core modules for quite a while, but it is unknown whether it will use it even for its forthcoming chips featuring the new micro-architecture.

    Keeping in mind that actual x86 cores are not large and the fact that AMD will utilize 14nm FinFET process tech (albeit with 20nm BEOL interconnect flow and hence appropriate geometries) to make “Zen”-based products, it is possible that AMD will go for native many-core design for server processors if the cores are compact enough and the company finds this a viable and cost-effective solution.
    “Skylake” instructions inside “Zen” point to a new FPU
    The new micro-architecture from AMD promises to be very different from the company’s current-generation “Bulldozer”-class designs, but almost nothing is known about “Zen” outside of Advanced Micro Devices at present. Without providing any details, the aforementioned media report claims that the new architecture features certain technologies found in the upcoming Intel “Skylake” processors.
    Keeping in mind that AMD cannot copy Intel’s designs or even parts of it (in accordance with its x86 cross-license agreement with Intel), do not expect AMD to incorporate any of Intel’s micro-architectural know-hows into its chips. However, what AMD can do is to implement any x86/x87 extensions, enhancements as well as various new instructions introduced by Intel in its central processing units. Intel can do the same too, just like it did with x86-64 more than a decade ago. While we do not know all peculiarities of “Skylake”, many official and semi-official revelations indicate that the new micro-architecture from Intel will bring support of such technologies as AVX 3.2 (512-bit instructions), SHA extensions (SHA-1 and SHA-256, secure hash algorithms), MPX (memory protection extensions), ADX (multi-precision add-carry instruction extensions) and other innovations. AMD has rights to incorporate all of them into its micro-architectures, which it will likely do eventually.

    If AMD proceeds with implementation of AVX 3.2 technology, it will have to develop a brand-new floating-point unit (FPU) to execute 512-bit instructions. At present AMD’s FPU features two 128-bit FMAC (fused multiply–add capability) pipelines that can be unified into one large 256-bit-wide unit if one of the integer cores dispatches an AVX instruction. While this approach technically works for AVX and floating-point operations (but AVX execution is dramatically slower on AMD’s chips compared to Intel’s chips), the AVX 2 further expands usage of most vector integer SSE and AVX instructions to 256 bits, which normally requires a new FPU. 512-bit AVX 3.2 instructions will entail further refinements of hardware, therefore, AMD’s “Zen”, if it supports AVX 3.2, will need an all-new FPU that will hardly resemble that of the “Bulldozer”. Basically, if AMD does not want to repeat the same mistakes it has done with “Bulldozer”, it will need a fully-fledged 512-bit FPU in “Zen” microprocessors. Otherwise, execution of 512-bit AVX 3.2 instructions will be awfully slow.
    Summing up
    The fact that AMD plans to first release Opteron chips featuring “Zen” cores and only then integrate its new cores into consumer products indicates that the company expects a lot from the micro-architecture which development is currently led by Jim Keller, a legendary CPU architect.
    If AMD’s forthcoming “Zen” technology supports everything (or even the majority of) instructions introduced by Intel’s “Skylake” processors in the second half of next year, this will be a significant leap for AMD.

    When it comes to performance, it is logical to expect a substantial increase of performance from AMD’s forthcoming microprocessors. At present we have no idea from where performance improvements will come from exactly. However, a new “fat” FPU in 2016 is not only a logical thing to expect, but rather a must have feature.
    Isto a ser verdade. upa upa!

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    AMD To Disclose 14/16nm CPU and GPU Roadmaps in May – Zen, K12 and Arctic Islands

    AMD will be disclosing its future 14nm and 16nm FinFET CPU, APU and GPU product roadmaps at the Financial Analyst Day on the 6th of May. During the event and for the first time ever, AMD will be publicly revealing its roadmap for 2016 and beyond.
    It’s been a long while since AMD had revealed future product roadmaps. It used to be that the company would actually divulge its plans two to four years into the future. With the introduction of Bulldozer in 2011 for example, the company outlined its product roadmap all the way to 2014. Recently however it’s been a little different. Due to the company’s recent restructuring efforts and numerous changes in management in a relatively short period of time. Along with many unpredicted roadmap alterations, AMD management seemingly decided to keep things tight under wraps at least until the mist clears.
    We’re already in 2015 and we have no official product roadmap from the company for next year. In fact we won’t get one until May at the annual Financial Analyst Day hosted by the company. Last year AMD hosted the Core Innovation Summit in May. And it was all about the company’s ambidextrous strategy and how ARM is going to be a significant focus for years to come.
    AMD To Disclose 14nm / 16nm FinFET CPU and GPU Roadmaps – Zen, K12 and Arctic Islands

    This year is going to be a bit different. We’ll get a more well defined roadmap especially with regards to products. Last year it was all about the company’s core IP and how it’s evolving. This year will be about the products that AMD plans to build with this new IP. Last year it was all about ARM, this year will be x86’s turn in the spot-light. And for the first time the company will be timing 14nm and 16nm FinFET process nodes. The most significant nodes since the long-lived 28nm process.


    The roadmaps will include AMD’s upcoming products based on the next-generation x86 high-performance Zen core and ARMv8 64bit K12 core. In addition to an all new family of FinFET based GPUs code named Arctic Islands. These will feature the company’s most significant architectural evolution on the GPU front since the introduction of GCN (Graphics Core Next) back in late 2011.
    Thankfully, we already know some of what’s going to be revealed at the event. Starting off with Zen, we know that AMD is working on a family of products that will incorporate this new core. Code named Summit Ridge, will feature up to 8 cores, 95W TDP, DDR4 memory support and a new FM3 socket. These will constitute the spiritual successors to the Phenom processors of yesteryear. The Southbridge for this family of chips is rumored to be developed by Asmedia, an Asus subsidiary. We also exclusively told you that Zen will be arriving to servers first, with high-end desktop parts following soon afterwards. Zen will be AMD’s biggest x86 high performance server play since the original Opteron in the early 2000s.
    After that we’ve got the Arctic Islands family of GPUs. These will be the first set of high-performance graphics chips to be fabbed on a FinFET process. The new GPUs will introduce the most significant leap in performance/watt according to AMD’s Chief Technology Officer, Mark Papermaster. And will feature an all new post-GCN graphics architecture. All Arctic Islands GPUs will feature stacked high-bandwidth memory (HBM). We don’t know if AMD will disclose this as well, but we know that the company is working on HBM based APUs as well that will debut with Zen.
    Rory Read, AMD’s ex-CEO, focused during his three year tenure on bringing AMD back to its optimum operating efficiency. He also focused on creating a very strong core graphics and CPU IP foundation for the future. And a new dynamic design infrastructure that would enable AMD to tailor products specifically for each segment (desktop, mobile, server, embedded etc…) without inflating cost.
    Dr. Lisa Su, AMD’s current President and CEO is focusing on putting that new IP into the best possible product configurations. This includes directly addressing the mobile, desktop and long-forgotten but very lucrative server market. Which all high-end desktop parts have historically been derived from.
    It takes several years for all of these efforts to pay dividends. This year AMD’s Carrizo APU and R9 300 series graphics cards are positioned only to serve as appetizers for what’s to come in 2016.



    Noticia:
    http://wccftech.com/amd-future-gpu-cpu-roadmap/#ixzz3T4Y3yM00




    Tal como eu sempre previ, antes de Junho não havia novidades, se esta noticia for verdadeira, isso é o que vai acontecer.
    http://www.portugal-tech.pt/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=566&dateline=1384876765

 

 
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