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    AMD RyZen R7 / R5 / R3

    A AMD está confiante que a sua nova arquitectura para CPUs vai impressionar e resolver os problemas que a empresa teve com o Bulldozer.
    Espero bem que isto seja o retorna da AMD à sua boa forma.

    AMD: ‘Bulldozer’ was not a game-changer, but next-gen ‘Zen’ will be

    Advanced Micro Devices on Wednesday confirmed that it is developing an all-new high-performance x86 micro-architecture code-named “Zen”. Rory Read, chief executive officer of Advanced Micro Devices, admitted that the current-generation “Bulldozer” micro-architectures could not improve AMD’s positions on the market of central processing units, so, at present AMD pins hopes on the next-gen x86 micro-architecture. He also said that the company will remain on the market of x86 server chips.
    “Everyone knows that Bulldozer was not the game changing part when it was introduced three years ago,” said Rory Read at Deutsche Bank 2014 Technology Conference. “We have to live with that for four years. But [for] Zen, K12, we went out and got Jim Keller, we went out and got Raja Koduri from Apple, Mark Papermaster, Lisa Su. We have built and are building now next generation graphics and compute technology that customers are very interested in.”
    Nothing particular is known about the “Zen” and the “K12” micro-architectures except the fact that both are developed by teams headed by Jim Keller, who led the development of AMD’s ultra-successful Athlon 64 and Opteron (K8) processors in the early 2000s. Both architectures are developed with high-performance applications and servers in mind.
    “There are very few people who know how to create server chips,” said Mr. Read. “Jim Keller has a lot of experience in that space. You get Zen and K12. […] ARM architectural leadership, x86 architecture big leap forward…”

    The chief executive officer of AMD stated that before starting to develop the next-generation high-performance architectures, the company talked to its customers to find out whether they actually wanted new server chips from AMD. Apparently, all replied positively.
    “We have had very good conversations with the OEMs in the server space and with the customers,” said Mr. Read. “We tested it because if we did not see that acceptance we would have ended the [server] business a year ago. But we saw that opportunity and we saw the opportunity to rebuild that and to do it in a more consistent way and I think the next generation technology will position us. Now we have to execute and deliver.”
    The only thing currently known about AMD’s Zen is that it will drop clustered multi-thread (CMT) design in favour of more traditional simultaneous multi-threaded (SMT) design. This may result in decrease of the amount of cores inside AMD’s processors, but will increase their efficiency. Both Zen and K12 will likely be compatible on the platform level and both will use similar memory controllers and other common blocks.
    Two the key reasons of relatively low performance of AMD’s current-generation microprocessors and accelerated processing units are believed to be their CMT design (which involves so-called “modules”) as well as relatively low performance in single-threaded operations. Each CMT module inside AMD APUs/CPUs is identical to a dual-core processor in its integer power, and to a single-core processor with SMT capability in its floating-point power; besides, each module shares certain resources between two “cores”. As a result, in many cases AMD’s eight-core microprocessors cannot outperform Intel’s quad-core chips that have the same number of floating point units (FPUs) which are more efficient compared to AMD’s FPUs.
    As reported, both K12 and Zen are due in 2016.
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    AMD hints at high-performance Zen x86 architecture


    AMD’s Next Gen x86 High Performance Core is Code Named “Zen” – Will Debut Alongside K12
    Última edição de Winjer : 11-09-14 às 14:48

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    Exactamente o que eu esperava.

    Vão apanhar a DDR4 mainstream...
    AMD SAPPHIRE ASROCK POWER EVERYWHERE. DEATH TO INTEL.

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    Apanhando ou não a DDR4, eu quero é um cpu bem competente por parte da AMD
    http://www.portugal-tech.pt/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=566&dateline=1384876765

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    Boas!
    Quando sair novidades e se forem melhores que os X99, lá vou eu para AMD de novo...

    Venham é as novidades...

    Cumprimentos,

    LPC

    My Specs:
    Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400S - CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 - 1600 @ 3.9 Ghz - Board: MSI B350 Tomahawk - RAM: 16GB DDR4 G.Skill RipJaws V 3200Mhz Cas 14-14-14-34 (2x8GB) - GPU: ZOTAC Nvidia GTX 1060 AMP! 6GB
    Cooling: Arctic Cooling 3x F14 Silent - CPU Cooler: Arctic Cooling: Liquid Freezer 360 (6xF12 Fans) - Storage: Samsung SSD 840 EVO 1 TB - PSU: EVGA G3 750W - Monitor: ACER XB270HU 1440p @ 144hz G-Sync

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    Tenho muitas duvidas que a AMD lance uma plataforma com mais poder de fogo que a X99 da Intel. Normalmente as boards intel é que tem mais funcionalidades e depois nenhum AMD terá o poder de fogo dos Intel da plataforma X99, a disparidade é muito grande para sequer estarem próximos uns dos outros...

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    Apanhando ou não a DDR4, eu quero é um cpu bem competente por parte da AMD
    Competentes são sempre...superiores em última análise à Intel é que não.

    Mas acredito que a AMD vá surpreender com melhor performance por core e 10/12 cores.
    AMD SAPPHIRE ASROCK POWER EVERYWHERE. DEATH TO INTEL.

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    Citação Post Original de Turtolius Ver Post
    Tenho muitas duvidas que a AMD lance uma plataforma com mais poder de fogo que a X99 da Intel. Normalmente as boards intel é que tem mais funcionalidades e depois nenhum AMD terá o poder de fogo dos Intel da plataforma X99, a disparidade é muito grande para sequer estarem próximos uns dos outros...
    O X99 é novo, é natural existirem disparidades, tal como existem face ao Z97.

    A sua tempo, a AMD responde...
    AMD SAPPHIRE ASROCK POWER EVERYWHERE. DEATH TO INTEL.

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    Não importa que a AMD não consiga passar a Intel. Desde que ande lá perto já é o suficiente para fazer o mercado mexer e forçar preços a baixar, dos 2 lados.

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    Citação Post Original de Turtolius Ver Post
    Tenho muitas duvidas que a AMD lance uma plataforma com mais poder de fogo que a X99 da Intel. Normalmente as boards intel é que tem mais funcionalidades e depois nenhum AMD terá o poder de fogo dos Intel da plataforma X99, a disparidade é muito grande para sequer estarem próximos uns dos outros...
    Mas nós não temos duvidas que o que vier vai ser bem mais barato e a diferença não deve ser assim tão abismal.
    A tua ignorancia é tanta que só queres a Intel... sem concorrencia já viste os preços.
    http://www.portugal-tech.pt/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=566&dateline=1384876765

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    Citação Post Original de Jorge-Vieira Ver Post
    Mas nós não temos duvidas que o que vier vai ser bem mais barato e a diferença não deve ser assim tão abismal.
    A tua ignorancia é tanta que só queres a Intel... sem concorrencia já viste os preços.
    O teu avatar

    Exacto...enquanto a AMD não vier puxar os preços para baixo a Intel vai continuar bem lá em cima.
    AMD SAPPHIRE ASROCK POWER EVERYWHERE. DEATH TO INTEL.

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    AMD ZEN - Sucessores dos FX

    AMD Zen To Be Featured Inside Summit Ridge Family of 14nm Processors – Rumored To Feature FM3 Socket Support and DDR4 Memory Compatiblity

    The next generation AMD Zen architecture is still undergoing development and will take some time before it’s available to consumers. A report from Sweclockers suggest that the processors which reportedly arrives in Q3 2016 will make home to a new family of high-performance chips known as Summit Ridge. The new processors will be aimed towards both server and consumer markets and will pack true next generation performance over the aging construction cores which started their journey four years ago with Bulldozer.

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    AMD Zen Featured Inside Summit Ridge 14nm Processor Family

    The report posted by the source is pretty detailed, unveiling information we have never before heard of. For instance, we are well known to FX and Opteron series however AMD has planned a new name for their next generation AMD Zen based family and they will be called Summit Ridge. Now it’s likely that it might have some relation with the K12 ARM Core family which AMD seems to be launching in 2016 that is based on their own custom design 64-bit design. K12 is the name of the second highest peak situated in the Karakoram range so Summit Ridge as a whole may be a reference to peak in performance and efficiency since this is a completely new architecture.
    The upcoming bits get even more interesting with the report alleging that AMD’s next cores are shifting from 32nm straight down to 14nm. The Summit Ridge series will contain up to 8 x86 cores based on the AMD Zen architecture and will be manufactured by either Samsung or Global Foundries. On power side, while AMD’s FX series currently pushes the TDP to 95W on APUs, 125W on FX series and 220W on the 5 GHz series, the Zen based processors will feature a maximum TDP of 95W which is inline with Intel’s 22nm Haswell offerings and also what Broadwell is supposedly going to get when it launches on desktop sometime in mid-2015. There will also be more power efficient variants toning the TDP down to more conservative levels as Zen will be featured across the board and is likely to be as scalable as Broadwell architecture which has seen 4.5W TDP variants in the form of Broadwell-Y.


    On the main architectural side of things, AMD Zen cores will take the best from Bulldozer and Jaguar, delivering a SMT (Simultaneous Multithreaded) design that takes advantage of the various resources in the core and dedicate it to an additional execution thread for added throughput. This adds to the area efficiency of the core design and reduces the effect of stalls and pipeline back pressure leading to improved resource utilization inside the core which in turn improves overall performance.
    Everyone knows that Bulldozer was not the game changing part when it was introduced three years ago. We have to live with that for four years but Zen, K12 we went out and got Jim Keller we went out and got Raja Koduri from Apple, Mark Papermaster, Lisa sue. We are building now our next generation graphics and compute technology that customers are very interested in and they’ll ( referring to the next generation graphics and compute architecture) move to the next generation node and they’ll be ready to go.
    There are also talks regarding the platforms where it’s mentioned that AMD is planning to make a new socket called AMD FM3. There’s no mention what platform is the FM3 socket intended for, some might say that it is the successor to the FM2+ but it might be AMD planning to unify all of their processors on a same socket since that’s what they are going to do Project Sjybridge offering pin-to-pin compatibility for x86 and ARM chips. AMD also adopted a similar design for Carrizo and Carrizo-L which are pin-to-pin compatible. This socket unification project may extend to Zen offering compatibility of high-performance consumer processors and server chips on the same socket. It is said that all Zen based chips will include a northbridge on the same silicon as the CPU and the new southbridge for motherboards will be known as Promontory which is also a reference to land mass like the K12 peak, summit and ridge references in their new naming schemes.
    The report alleges that Summit Ridge featuring AMD Zen architecture will make its way only in 2016 since the series was pushed to Q3 of 2016 from an earlier time frame it was previously expected to launch. Regardless of the date, the new AMD Zen based Summit ridge family will enter the market five years after the launch of first generation Bulldozer.
    http://www.portugal-tech.pt/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=566&dateline=1384876765

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    Q3 2016... Entretanto a Intel lança novas 2 gerações daqui até lá...
    GOD OF AWESOME SIGNATURES - KING OF GIFS - TRIGGER OF TROLLS

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    Pode ser que tenham algum bug
    http://www.portugal-tech.pt/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=566&dateline=1384876765

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    Q3 2016... Entretanto a Intel lança novas 2 gerações daqui até lá...
    Verdade seja dita, já andamos à espera do Broadwell para desktops à vários meses.
    Resta saber se o Skylake vai chegar no tempo previsto, na segunda metade de 2015, ou se vai sofrer atrasos como o Broadwell.

    Mesmo assim, tens razão, pois quando os Zen cá chegarem, provavelmente, já estaremos no tick dos Skylake a 10nm.

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    Parece quase certo que os adiamentos dos Broadwell vão fazer adiar os Skylake, estes já foram adiados para o final deste ano quando estavam previstos aparecerem durante o verão.

    Quanto mais tarde aparecerem os Broadwell mais vai deixar de fazer sentido compra-los se os Skylake não sofrerem adiamentos.

    Entretanto, 2016 continua ainda a ser algo muito distante para a AMD e a Intel vai continuar a percorrer o seu caminho do Tick-Tock.
    http://www.portugal-tech.pt/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=566&dateline=1384876765

 

 
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