[Oficial] Intel Core "all" Series

[LPC]

Basta ver os comentários por fóruns, os youtubers do costume e os seus viewers, é tudo doom and gloom para a Intel. Tudo a dizer que a AMD está a matar a Intel e etc. Como se a Intel estivesse numa situação sem retorno absolutamente nenhum, numa espiral da morte, etc. Acho tudo isso um exagero. Por essa ordem de ideias a AMD, que esteve numa crise muito mais profunda e muito mais tempo, já tinha ido de vela aos anos.

Boas!
Muitos youtubers fazem daquilo vida e precisam do "click bait" e da conversa da chacha para alimentarem os seus canais...
É preciso perceber do mercado e perceber que a Intel tem muito dinheiro para poder aguentar este contratempo.

No entanto o que mudou é o paradigma da AMD que dantes era o low cost e o que não prestava e o que se ia quando não se tinha dinheiro para o "intel inside".
Isso foi um passo em frente para um mercado mais equilibrado e mais justo para o consumidor.

Cumprimentos,

LPC

[Winjer]

Tough times ahead for Intel: industry insiders spill the beans on subpar 10 nm yields, server CPU plus 7 nm delays, production outsourcing and more

Issues with the 10 nm node yields:

• Base 10 nm production started in late 2018 has been improved in the meantime. Still does not appear viable for “full production” and “shipping for revenue” purposes.
• Upcoming SuperFin 10 nm nodes are “unquestionably far better than base 10nm. Better in just about every way. Yields are better (50+%), but still not as good at the 14 nm nodes.
• Cannon Lake (the first processors to be produced on the base 10 nm node launched 2 years ago) had yields lower than 25% even with iGPU disabled.
• The 10 nm capacity is far from handling an entire product stack.
• Even with SuperFin tech, the 10 nm production capacity may never match that of the 14 nm nodes.
• Backporting the upcoming Rocket Lake processors was not a good move: the new models ended up too big and are expected to be power hogs.
• 14nm shortage caused by the fact that Intel had to bloat up die sizes.
• “OEMs told they were to get a "small fraction" of orders of TGL. Improvements to yield won't fully help because no. of wafer starts is still low.”

Server-grade Scalable Processor delays:

• Ice Lake SP processors delayed again due to a bug. Release scheduled moved to mid-late Q2 or early Q3 2021. “Performance looks pretty poor. Akin to Comet Lake SP actually - performance per socket remains the same but power rises. Core count for shipping parts dropped from 38 -> 36.” Ice Lake is disappointing.
• Sapphire Rapids is way better. Comes in Q2 2022 (originally supposed to launch in Q2 2021 to ship for the Aurora supercomputer).
• The delays are problematic: “Ice Lake was supposed to compete with [AMD’s] Rome (and it would still lose even with the on-paper and significantly better specs than reality). [AMD’s] Milan is going to likely beat Sapphire Rapids over a year earlier and before Ice Lake rolls out. By the time Sapphire Rapids releases, [AMD’s] Genoa will be here or right around the corner. Genoa was supposed to compete with Granite Rapids which is late 2023 now.”
• “If both companies iterate perfectly on their roadmaps as planned (much easier on AMD's side right now), Intel can not catch up to AMD until late 2024 or early 2025.”
• AMD’s current problem still remains production capacity, even with TSMC’s expansion efforts

7 nm node delays:

• “7 nm is significantly more delayed than the 6-12 months first claimed. Ponte Vecchio is in-hands basically now and it was the first 7 nm product. Now it's on TSMC. Sometime December this year anyway.”
• The actual release schedule for the 7 nm products is still not clear

Production outsourcing issues:

• Intel is going to outsource CPUs, but what and where is still being debated internally. Final decisions will be made in Q1 2021 between Samsung Semiconductor and TSMC for different products.
• “Intel won't outsource everything to TSMC because TSMC doesn't have the capacity. Intel grabbing capacity shouldn't take capacity away from AMD - TSMC should prioritise customers with long-term plans to stay with them.”

Other issues:

• Intel may not be forced to sell fabs. “Too many problems involved. Fabs would need to be evaluated for the buyers needs etc”.
• Foveros processor packaging is more suited to low-power chips than servers/high power.
• ARM and RISC-V could pose a problem to Intel’s X86 architecture in the long run
• "Intel is looking for a new CEO. There are multiple candidates, one has been shot down, 3 potential left. They are hoping to make the decision in Q1, probably after the Jan call. Does seem like Bob's going either way. “
• There is a 10 nm Alder Lake-S desktop processor family coming after Rocket Lake-S, but there will not be much capacity for it due to it being needed elsewhere.

As coisas continuam muito mal para a Intel...

[LPC]

Tough times ahead for Intel: industry insiders spill the beans on subpar 10 nm yields, server CPU plus 7 nm delays, production outsourcing and more




As coisas continuam muito mal para a Intel...

Boas!
De facto, é a tempestade perfeita para a Intel, nodos com problemas, nodos atrasados, falta de capacidade de produção, fabricas externas cheias e sem capacidade para aceitar os pedidos... Enfim...

É desta que a AMD vai dar a volta por cima...

Cumprimentos,

LPC

[Winjer]

Intel Core i9-11900 and i9-11900K (ES) Alleged CPU-Z Bench Numbers Reveal a 12% IPC Gain

Benchmark numbers of an upcoming Intel Core i9-11900 (non-K) and i9-11900K processor engineering samples allegedly obtained on CPU-Z Bench reveal that the chip will deliver on the company's "double-digit IPC gain" promise for the "Rocket Lake" microarchitecture. The i9-11900 (non-K) sample posted a single-threaded performance score of 582 points, while the i9-11900K ES posted 597 points, which are roughly 12% higher than typical CPU-Z Bench single-thread numbers for the current-gen i9-10900 (non-K) and i9-10900K "Comet Lake-S" processors. The multi-threaded score of the i9-11900 (non-K) ES, at 5262 points, ends up just around 5-10% lower than that of the i9-10900, despite a deficit of two cores. Intel's 11th Gen Core "Rocket Lake-S" story is hence shaping up to be that of increased gaming performance from the IPC gain, while roughly the same multi-threaded performance as the 10th Gen "Comet Lake-S."

Não é muito, mas deve ser o suficiente para a Intel voltar a ter a coroa do desempenho em jogos.

[SleepyFilipy]

Mais do mesmo, mais uma "geração", mais 10% de IPC. Quero ver é preços, consumos, suporte PCI-E 4.0,tudo o que acompanha (ou não acompanha) esses 10%.

[Winjer]

Consumos vão ser elevados, pois ainda é a 14nm++ e é um chip bastante grande para este processo de fabrico.
É um backport do Cypress Cove a 10nm, para 14 nm++.
Ainda por cima, a Intel já fala de 5.3 Ghz de turbo.
PCI-3 Gen4 já está confirmado.

[Winjer]

Intel Core i9-11900K sample tested, clocks up to 5.3 GHz, issues with PCIe interface

It is unclear if the sample tested by the leaker is an ES2 or a retail version. There are some issues with the platform not supporting some of the new features. This is mainly demonstrated in gaming benchmarks where PCIe Gen 3.0 is not engaged when using GeForce GTX 1660 Ti graphics card. The GPU is locked to PCIe x16 1.1 standard which causing performance degradation.
Otherwise, the CPU works relatively well in other benchmarks, such as CPU-Z or Cinebench. The CPU scored 708.7 points in CPU-Z single-thread benchmark and 6443.9 points in the multi-threaded test. Those results are comparable to other tests we have already seen in the past two weeks.

Intel Core i9-11900K CPU-Z, Source: ChaoWanKe

Intel Core i9-11900K is the upcoming flagship Rocket Lake-S processor based on Cypress Cove architecture. It will offer fewer cores than Comet Lake-S-based i9-10900K CPU. The highest core count of the RKL-S CPU is 8, while the current generation of Core desktop CPUs offers up to 10. The CPU is still based on the 14nm fabrication process but the architecture has improved so much since the first Skylake CPU, that the new 14nm CPUs are still able to compete with Zen3 core design which is based on the 7nm process technology.
AMD has a clear advantage in multi-threaded benchmarks. Intel Rocket Lake-S with 16-threads is no match for Ryzen 9 5950X series with 32 threads. The leaker tested the CPU against Ryzen 9 5900X which is a 12 core CPU and Intel Core i9-10900KF (the flagship SKU without iGPU).
Intel is set to announce its Rocket Lake-S processors at CES 2021 next week, but the processors won’t be available till March, according to recent rumors.

Intel Core i9-11900K CPU-Z and Cinebench R20 Benchmarks, Source: ChaoWanKe

The CPU is locked to PCIe x16 1.1 standard, which greatly affects gaming benchmarks.

Intel Core i9-11900K locked to PCIe x16 1.1, Source: ChaoWanKe

Intel Core i9-11900K Gaming Benchmarks, Source: ChaoWanKe

Intel Core i9-11900K Productivity Benchmarks, Source: ChaoWanKe

[Winjer]

[Winjer]

Preços das motherboards da Asus, que até doí de ver.


https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.p...-xiii-extreme-glacial-zeigen-sich-update.html

[tiran]

Eu dei 230€ pela minha Maximus VIII Hero...

[Winjer]

Intel's new CEO: we have to deliver better products than certain "lifestyle company" in Cupertino

We learned this week that Intel CEO Bob Swan would be stepping down and make way for a new executive at the helm of the troubled silicon giant. He will be succeeded by VMware CEO Pat Gelsinger, who has the perfect background as he previously spent 30 years at Intel and played an instrumental role in delivering the 80486 processor.
According to a report from the Oregonian, the incoming CEO held an all-hands staff meeting this week where he briefed everyone on the company's new direction.
The timing of this move is interesting as the silicon giant has been looking to outsource some of its chip manufacturing to TSMC, which is already producing chips using a 5nm process node and getting ready to move to 3nm as soon as next year.
Gelsinger is only slightly more humble in his discourse than his predecessors. He notes that "we have to deliver better products to the PC ecosystem than any possible thing that a lifestyle company in Cupertino" makes. “When executed well, it has established Intel as a leader in every aspect.” Factories, he said, are “the power and the soul of the company [...] We have to be that good in the future," he added.

Intel's Mobileye division in Israel where the chip giant is working on advanced autonomous driving technology.
Of course, he's referring to Apple, who's been refining its custom Arm silicon for years to a point where it's now set to replace Intel across the board. Last year, the Cupertino giant revealed bold plans of a two-year transition to Apple Silicon for the entire Mac family of products. The first of these is the M1 SoC, which is powering entry level MacBooks and is already showing incredible performance per watt when compared to equivalent offerings from Intel and AMD.
Gelsinger knows he's going to fight an uphill battle against both Apple and AMD, with the former replacing the need for its mobile and workstation CPUs and the later eroding its market share in the gaming and enthusiast markets. Qualcomm is also planning to develop custom silicon for the server and high performance computing -- one of Intel's core strengths -- through strategic acquisitions, putting even more pressure on Intel. Microsoft, Google, and Amazon are also working on custom chips for their specific needs.
A decade ago, it'd have been unfathomable for Intel to give up on chip manufacturing considering its track record. However, the company is facing a new reality where fabless companies including Apple, Qualcomm, MediaTek, Nvidia, and AMD are able to move faster by focusing only on designing better chips.
Later this month, Intel will report its 2020 financial results along with an update on its work towards manufacturing using the 7nm process node. In the meantime, all we're getting are promises that its 11th-gen Rocket Lake-S desktop CPUs are capable of besting AMD's Ryzen 5000 in terms of gaming performance, and that Xe GPUs will only get better as time goes on.

Olha o gigante a acordar...

[Winjer]

Intel's next-gen processors have fewer cores but cost more, according to retailers

Processor	Code	2Compute (€)	Average (€)	Average (USD)	Current generation equivalent MSRP (USD)
i9-11900KF	BX8070811900KF	475.80	500	600	472
i9-11900K	BX8070811900K	499.70	510	615	488
i9-11900F	BX8070811900F	384.20	410	495	422
i9-11900	BX8070811900	408.10	440	530	439
i7-11700KF	BX8070811700KF	352.70	350	420	349
i7-11700K	BX8070811700K	376.60	410	495	374
i7-11700F	BX8070811700F	282.00	300	360	298
i7-11700	BX8070811700	305.90	320	385	323
i5-11600KF	BX8070811600KF	219.00	220	265	237
i5-11600K	BX8070811600K	242.90	260	315	262
i5-11600	BX8070811600	206.60	230	280	213
i5-11500	BX8070811500	187.50	200	240	192
i5-11400F	BX8070811400F	145.50	150	180	157
i5-11400	BX8070811400	169.40	180	225	182

[Winjer]

"Nehalem" Lead Architect Rejoins Intel to Work on New High-Performance Architecture

The original "Nehalem" CPU microarchitecture from 2008 was pivotal to Intel, as it laid the foundation for Intel's mainline server and client x86 processors for the following 12-odd years. Glenn Hinton, the lead architect behind "Nehalem," announced that he is rejoining Intel after 3 years of retirement, to work on a new high-performance CPU project. Hinton states that his decision to rejoin Intel out of his retirement was influenced by Pat Gelsinger joining the company as its new CEO. Jim Keller, a CPU architecture lead behind several commercially-successful architectures, recently left Intel after a brief stint leading an undisclosed CPU core project. Keller later took up the mantle of CEO at hardware start-up Tenstorrent.

Pat Gelsinger leading Intel is expected to have a big impact on its return to technological leadership in its core businesses, as highlighted in Gelsinger's recent comments on the need for Intel to be better than Apple (which he referred to as "that lifestyle company") at making CPUs, in reference to Apple's new M1 chip taking the ultraportable notebook industry by storm. The other front Intel faces stiff competition from, is AMD, which has achieved IPC parity with Intel, and is beating it on energy-efficiency, taking advantage of the 7 nm silicon fabrication process.

[Winjer]

At Stock All-Core Boost, i9-11900KF "Rocket Lake" Hits 98°C with 360mm AIO CLC Under Stress

Intel's 11th Gen Core "Rocket Lake-S" processor is shaping up to be one hot chip. Enthusiasts on Chinese tech forum ChipHell with access to a Core i9-11900KF sample report, that when stressed at [apparently] stock settings, in which the processor hits its all-core boost frequency of 4.80 GHz, even a 360 mm all-in-one liquid CPU cooler struggles to keep the chip from hitting 100 °C, with core temperatures reaching 98 °C. The i9-11900KF comes with a disabled iGPU, which means all of its heat is generated by the core and uncore components of the GPU. AIDA64 was used, to apply multi-threaded stress on the processor (the burn-in test), while CPU-Z reports a core voltage of 1.401 V, it's not known whether this is a manual setting, the chip's VID, or whether the motherboard is trying to stabilize the 4.80 GHz clocks.

A Intel virou-se para a venda de aquecedores

[Sonas]

Isto é com muito mau cooling... o meu 7900x de 140w tinha em full load 55graus (wc claro)!

Quem compra este tipo de cpus normalmente tem custom loops ou um muito bom cooler...


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